What is NEO moaning about now?.....Where the hell has the good stuff gone. Bring back shows like transformers and married with children not endless politically correct, rude or disgusting just for the sake of it, comedies which are about as funny as pile surgery. Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps springs to mind, and that Time gentlemen please. Ok so not all the old stuff was good but theres no good stuff now really. Just endless pretty boys all over tv with their spikey David Beckam rip off hair. And for gods sake, will someone please force Posh to let him pick his own friggin outfits the poor girly voiced bastard. She is one mad cow.

What this topic is about more than anything, is the fact that the tv is the new god. It tells us what to wear, what to watch, where to go, what to think. Theres a Bebop episode that fits in with this topic. Tv is the new religion and that is so wrong.

Most people have lost the ability to think for themselves and with each new generation that ability will be more and more replaced by tv's brainwashing effects. Artistic, creative people are more than likely the last of the freethinkers, we tend to live in our own way, with our own rules not by rules established in Smash hits magazine or some such celebrity glorification rag, thats why society finds it hard to accept us as individuals, making us change or tone down what makes us what we are.

These are just the ramblings of a man who misses the good music, the good tv, the classic films, the good heroes, this is the kind of thing me and my mates talk about, we all miss the good old days. Feel free second guess me, as this is just one persons viewpoint, one persons opinion.

Theres plenty of good things about the old days. Good music by really talented people who could sing without a studio and who werent necessarily good looking or well presented, It was all about the music, baby. No fucking moron second childhood teenage presenters with the IQ of a walnut whip like those two thick fucks on Trailer Park. Good old offensive humour. Oh, I give up, I cant think of anything more. You get the picture.

I dream of a day when George Michael and Elton John, Eric Clapton, Freddy Mercury, Elvis are more popular with kids than Gareth Gates and these factory made pretty boy groups who are all SOOOO FUCKING CAMP it gives gay people a bad name. Or those talentless rapper dickheads who think a song should contain the word 'Yo' ten billion friggin times.

Yes, there's Brian May, John Deacon..etc and oh yes, there is plenty of room for Guns N Roses, Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, U2 and let's not forget good old fashioned thrash metal. There's too many bands to name off hand....

Same goes for the music only because you remember the top 1 for a month from 50years ago, doesnt mean that the other top 100 the whole year wherent filled only with stuff that was that good.
Also peoples taste is different and what you like might be shit in the eye of someone else (and personaly I think rap is a very creative music style).

Personaly I think that our present isnt much different from our past and wont change much in the future.
At least on a large scale sure little details might change.
But even when it would change much :

It is said that what is called "the spirit of an age' ' is a thing to which one cannot return. That this spirit gradually dissipates is due to the world's coming to an end. In the same way, a single year does not have just spring or summer. A single day, too, is the same.
For this reason, although one would like to change today's world back to the spirit of one hundred years or more ago, it cannot be done. Thus it is important to make the best out of every generation. This is the mistake of people who are attached to past generations. They have no understanding of this point.
On the other hand, people who only know the disposition of the present day and dislike the ways of the past are too lax.

-Hagakure

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Wer nicht vom Meister lernt, lernt nie etwas.

Thats not racism, it usually is a big black guy.

Dont take this as an insult G-Man. That wasnt a personal attack, just my thoughts on rap.

I also must make my own point it this. Along with all the shit tv there is out there i think it has de-senseitised society. I mean look at the tv. everytime you turn it on all it is is sex. don't get me wrong i like it just as much as the next guy, but sex humor get's old. And violence is everywhere now. this isn't the media's fault, i mean there tv is more violent than ours ans there's less crime, i'm speaking from america, i don't know about anywhere else.

It's also kinda like those sad fat bastards in America who filed a lawsuit against Burger King or something for making them fat. I forget the details, but nobody forced them to eat the damn things now did they ?. They're just weak, jelly ass, porkies. Where's your friggin willpower. Probably bouncing around in that balloon they call a belly. They were like 40 odd stone or something stupid, I mean shit, there's cars lighter than that surely. Shouldn't the alarm bells have started ringing when they lost sight of their feet because of the titanic gut ?. Im a nice guy, but Jesus, show some backbone.

Did Manson have to apologise, release a statement or something for that, even though it wasn't his fault ?

DARKEST NIGHT
Come dead of night, and t'is darkness unbound. Leaving only mere shadows of light to guide the traveler in his perilous journey, along the path of a shadowed world. Night's touch disguises and diffuses his path with a suffocating black. Into his darkest night he wanders, unwitting and scared of the shapes on the wall, some serrated, angular and ten feet tall. To the realm of terror, within his own mortal shell. Fear claws at his mind, like a ravenous beast, his heart hammers, he stumbles over his feet. Half seen things cause him a fright, existing in both his mind and in the shadows of night. Are they real, or are they illusions ?, He'll soon know when they come to take him. Into the darkness they call their home. Away from all he knows. To the realm of no return. Another traveler lost to the world, the still night is deaf to his screams. The moon looks on, up above she beams.

And with the manson thing, he did apoligize for it, even when he also stated it wasn't his fault. Hell he even offered to hold a concert near there and give all the money to the famlies, they said no. so he took all the money from a different concert and offered, they still denied him. I almost can see why if it could be linked to him, but it can't. If you ask me, it's because the parent's never talked or anything to them, because the school didn't do anything about them alway's getting picked on( and don't get me wrong i get picked on, but i'm not gonna do something pointless like this), And last becasue the kids felt sorry for themselve's because they knew the weren't going to amount to shit. But that's their own fault.

And finally back to the topic. I know most of it has been said by now, and alot of anger has been let out. But it's not over, you still have to have passion for this topic. So tell me what you think is leading to our society becoming a shit life? Is it because fo the de-sensitiseing? is it because of people that are allowed to sue company's for reasons that should have been laughed out a long time ago? Is it because of all the big companie's? Is it everything? or is it something else? i need answers from you guy's.

Im not deeply religious by the way. Despite being a Christian I don't believe in any form of religion as such. I just cling to the fact that there is one god (of some sort, hopefully) and a heaven (to make up for this fuck ugly journey through life). I also like to believe there's a hell so evil arseholes like Saddam and Hitler can burn in agony for all eternity. If there is no hell, then these fuckers get off scot free and just turn to dust. I want them to suffer.

Religion is an honour code of sorts. When men used to fear the reprisal of a diety of some sort, they moderated their behaviour accordingly, nowadays even most faithful don't really believe what they're doing, in the back of their minds there's a little voice saying 'this is all bollocks'. Religion also creates a sense of brotherhood, a feeling of togetherness. A unified collective who are much more prone to care about their fellow man. That sense of community is missing in everyday life now, a feeling you're walking a path into the arms of eternal bliss surrounded by those who think as you do.

On the other hand, Religion has caused more death and destruction than both world wars combined. Maybe it makes people feel TOO together, and it's also in a limited sense, a form of mass mind control.

God, I feel old now and I'm only 24.....I feel like some moaning old git harping on about how he fought as a soldier in world war 2, but he was really a cook...

P.S. I think this discussion is going pretty well despite the fact that it was created by a dink like me.