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tuigi
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posted 24-09-2002 12:35 AM     Profile for tuigi   Author's Homepage   Email tuigi     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
and yet another one,i think i m not improving...
somethin is wrong and i can t see what it is exept for the over sized head http://www.geocities.com/tuigi42/hostess.jpg

sob
will i ever get better
no angels this time

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plastic_corpse
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posted 24-09-2002 01:22 AM     Profile for plastic_corpse   Email plastic_corpse     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The link is broken so I can't see your pic.

One of the most useful things I was ever shown is... look at your artwork in a mirror.

It is amazing how much you can "see".

If you try it I'd like to know what you think (and anyone else )

It works for me.

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Random_Task
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posted 24-09-2002 01:25 AM     Profile for Random_Task   Email Random_Task     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
hey dude! keep at it...every single time i pick up a pencil i get that feeling...it would be nice to see some rendering so that the picture doesn't look as flat

btw, copy and paste

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tuigi
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posted 24-09-2002 01:43 AM     Profile for tuigi   Author's Homepage   Email tuigi     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
what are rendering???

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G.i.A.m.
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posted 24-09-2002 09:54 AM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Rendering means to use light and shadows, to give the drawing 3dimensionality.

Overall your drawing isnt bad.

A few things I picked up in Artclass that might help first.

Start light(dont press so hard with the pencil) and dont try to nail the lines on the paper in the beginning.
Instead focus on the form and proportion.

Dont use erasures!!!
(atleast not when you are scetching, only use them to clean up your work when you're finished.)

use helplines (they help ).


And remember that over 80% of drawing is observation.


For your drawing.

The first thing that I recognized is the asimetry of her chin (remember helplines).

Than comes the shoulder section.
Main problem here, is the space between the top of the shoulders and the point where the arms are connected to the body (it should be wider than the arm is thick).
Also her right shoulder( ) is higher than the left.

Next the the upper arm is to short (should allmost reach the belly button).
And the lower arm looks pretty beefy.

Now that might looks like alot of errors, but these are rather small/common mistakes, that you can avoid by using helplines and observation of realpeople.

And dont be afraid to use references when you draw.
Photos for example, or yourself (you're human after all) to see if a pose is even remotly possible, or to see how long certain parts are in comparsion with others (I'll do this too).

Hope that helps a bit and keep up the work I'm sure you will improve over time.

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tuigi
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posted 24-09-2002 11:47 AM     Profile for tuigi   Author's Homepage   Email tuigi     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
tnkz guys i really appreciate this,now whit thiose little tips i really think i can improve on somethin i have riten all that on post it and sticked them to the drawing(that means i ll go back to it later) and i ll try the mirro thing. tnkz all again this was really helpfull

angels are back

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AKATT
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posted 24-09-2002 07:05 PM     Profile for AKATT   Email AKATT     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
take the advice from above Tuigi, and hang in there. it'll turn out all good

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tuigi
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posted 24-09-2002 10:40 PM     Profile for tuigi   Author's Homepage   Email tuigi     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
gaaaaaaaaa somethin still seems bizzare, an dthe skirt is on purpose by the way...but what is it this time??? http://www.geocities.com/tuigi42/hostess2.jpg
i felt some improvement in that thought


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AKATT
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posted 24-09-2002 11:13 PM     Profile for AKATT   Email AKATT     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
okay here's the crits i can see:

the mouth shouldn't be so far to the right.

the elbow on her right arm should be a bit further down and her arm in general should be longer.

her left arm looks like it has been cut off. if it is suppoed to be going behind her then you need to make the bend at the same height as the elbow for the other arm.

hope that helps

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G.i.A.m.
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posted 24-09-2002 11:27 PM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
yup pretty much have to critic the same stuff AKATT had said.

I give you an overdraw and write a bit more.
Should be online in a hour or two.

Ok here is the overdraw

Lets see I will focus mainly on the face, 'couse it is the thing people often look first at.
And we had the same subject today in my portrait drawing class (so I might manage to tell correct things ).


The most important(and first) helpline when drawing the face, is the orange one(in her face).
This line runs directly trough the middle of the face, splitting it into equal halfs.
So all things on one half should be nearly the same on the other side.

That is also your main error here, her mouth aswell as her chin are to far of to the right( ).

The eyes should be equal far away from this line, which you placed perfectly (concrats thats one of the most important thing).
The nose is put in the right place aswell, also concrats.


The second helpline is the green one.
Which ones again splits the face into halfs.
The main use of this line is, to assist in drawing the eyes.

You got that pretty much right again so we skip that part.


The last line in the face is also a usefull one.
It splits the part from the green line (our second helpline) and chin into another half.
Normaly the line marks where the nose ends. And you catched that.
well done again.


On the shoulders.
Well important is, that the space of the shoulder (marked with orange) is wider than the arm (blue line).

The purple part is not that important, but observe the way I drawed the lower arm.

Ok thats basicly a short rundown on help lines.

A good way to start would be looking at other peoples drawing (prefered pro stuff) and imagine the helplines over it.
See how everything falls into the right place in those pictures.
Also look at photographs and do the same.

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tuigi
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posted 25-09-2002 12:27 AM     Profile for tuigi   Author's Homepage   Email tuigi     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
i ll work on that again and comeback again

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tuigi
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posted 25-09-2002 09:46 PM     Profile for tuigi   Author's Homepage   Email tuigi     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
i m finnally pretty happy whit the results
exept the leg and the arm but for my 1st serious pic it s not that bad tnkz again g.i.a.m
i changed teh shoulders as you can see they look more natural and feminin now http://www.geocities.com/tuigi42/hostess3.jpg

hope this is final version
somethin wen twrong on the face


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G.i.A.m.
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posted 01-10-2002 11:49 PM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sorry for not replying sooner.

I want to say that it looks better now and I can see a improvement in the drawing.

Sure you have a long way to become a pro, but you made a step in the right direction.
And I'm sure your drawing style will evolve over time and hard practice.

Keep it up.

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tuigi
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posted 02-10-2002 12:04 AM     Profile for tuigi   Author's Homepage   Email tuigi     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
tnkz g.i.a.m
ho and did you look at my web-site http://www.geocities.com/tuigi64/temporarypreviewfile.html?1033509663140

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neo
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posted 02-10-2002 02:23 AM     Profile for neo   Email neo     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi tuigi. I just did a fanart of your chara girl here. Ill send it to bomu so he can scan it 4 u...shes a good design, keep it up and i replied to your biozero topic. Everyone should have a go at that...
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tuigi
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posted 02-10-2002 02:38 AM     Profile for tuigi   Author's Homepage   Email tuigi     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
it s the 1st time anyone has ever made a fan-art of my character ,i just dunno what to say (blush)
gee thanks i ll be sur eto add your picture to my gift gallery when i get it.
tnkz again for doing a fan-art of my character


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Ayzie
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posted 02-10-2002 06:59 AM     Profile for Ayzie   Author's Homepage   Email Ayzie     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I love how every update is constantly improved over the last. It's really inspiring, and shows how a little more effort always helps.

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