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[ 16-07-2005: Message edited by: Si13Nt ]

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Ezekiel 25:17

I like it best how you use a good variation on your strokes pays off alot. Not only that, it enhances the picture all around what you done here. I would like to see the original you worked from tho, I think I have seen it before I forgot think I'll take a look at link.

Like it how you tipped off her right arm's elbow very fluent looking and goes well with the smooth face. I like the fact very much that you don't complete some areas on the clothing fully and also you used thinner lines this time around. I think what really pulls off a good inking is not trying to outline everything rather than giving it a better stroke. You can see that pretty well on her left hand's wrappings/glove that the bandages are quite different from another and aren't just plainly splashed with the
same thickness outline.

Try to take some of the advantages of the lines from this and use it your own drawings next round Silent! I'm sure you'll be pleased too, to see how well it pays off in adding more curves and as well as taking your time on every line.

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I just checked but didn't see the Original on there, checked in forums too many deadlinks on Bunisher lol. Lines seemed to be pretty crisp but you did well enhancing them. Giam still has the best sytlish coloring if you ask me, on her. Artus Malech aka. Giam I believe that is him I almost forgot his real name.. still can't get that Gay I Am out of my head, curse Bomu.

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im gonna have a go at colourin that picture n then i might finally get round to *actually* drawing my own picture to ink n that instead of using another one of hawk's lol

oh and here's original sketch...hawk's just plain wicked, i want his babies

[ 16-07-2005: Message edited by: Si13Nt ]

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Ezekiel 25:17

Seems, you overlooked the the little indication below her lower lip giving her a expression/emotion. I hope you do add it, trying to do a color of her without it would be very dual looking without that tone.

Now, I finally notice why the gun looked a little funky and toyish something wasn't right not sure if you did it I didn't want to spend awhile looking. Even Hawk might probably be wondering wth is wrong with the gun I drew on her if you showed him this. The gun in her left hand (her left) in the bottom is a bit incorrect. I hope you learn that a very small detail can throw something off from being better. The nozzle on the gun has a turn and goes towards us the perspective of it isn't really the same as her outer fingers covering it, rather than it is the palm of her hand. You made it a little flat on the end too dynamic to her finger direction. Hawk knew the view well so the reason why you're looking down into the barrel you should see the inner barrel itself. The lines around should be exact way he presented it their you should see up high into the back side with the rim coming around every so smooth on the bottom half (towards us) should be super thin/almost not there. Oh and you missed that little circle mark above it as well. I hope Angelo/takes good notice of that too cause really what pays off in any gun weapon is the end points usually you got to know how to show them off it looks so much better when they are.

I knew that myself from own experience, but I couldn't recall it don't think Hawk could put his finger on it as well without scratching his head for a good long while that what was out of place when you draw that well and start to question yourself.. Showing me the original saved me that question, you start to over look beginner mistakes when you start to hit that skill. Would've taken me a good 10mins to notice maybe.

To bad you didn't decide to ink the bullets markings behind her, some did with/without I remember on that one. With it the people that color it get a better sense of which way her front body is facing. I think it show's her off better with them myself and gives a better sense of positioning.

Still slick job Silent, I hope that even furthers your ability more.

the little mark under her mouth i was going to put in colouring because i tihnk inking it makes it stand outy way too much...better for a shading i reckon

and i was gonna do the background when colouring it so teh bullet marks will b in the final pic dnt worry lol

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Ezekiel 25:17

Yeah I do see what you mean about some detail yet.. well I took a quick skim over after I got a drink just now..

Just think a couple things on her breast are intended to be their. Those little circle/tears/design on her chest by that skull. The 3 on her side are slight rub-burn tears against sliding on a floor or bouncing off something..

I think and the two above by the the skull are markings/paint I think. They could possibly be light shines/glare.

added bullet holes n crap

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Ezekiel 25:17

i knwo the background is still only white

and im not sure about the markings on her face...suggestions for colour or something?

anway, behold!

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Ezekiel 25:17

The other areas on the right and waist I have no clue.. I would probably make that area on the waist skin too, it's Up to you. Also the possible shoulder/arm some have it as skin. I'd take a look at how the others colored areas, I think Giam understood the character well. I haven't looked for her bio here.

Hmm, if you want to add something enhanced you might want to try making double layer on her upper hand fingers, something like a inlined gloves on each part.. or make them leather really your call lol. Oh, yeah you can always try to lay down slightly different shade of that color to the collar/belts etc if you wanted. I'd say try to make the hair flow/breezy but that is a bit hard.

Tip, try to observer the view/point lightning of the center in each part before you color to perspective. Then to how it's shifted and moved muscles/etc. If you take them each into consideration you should be able to come out with a really great coloring if you're willing to put in some time.

Oh, you didn't understand what I meant about the gun end *cough* np. I meant the gun chamber how you look into it with it standing out like that it looks fake/toyish. Because of the dynamic circle-gun chamber you put on it. If you take that circle in the chamber (nozzle/end) and bend it down the side then cut off the right end somewhat it will look greatly better as it was displayed in the original.. that's what I meant about a small detail on a gun end is vital. Change if you want or not.. the tops slightly overhangs out and the view gives you a slight look into the gun. I can't stress that enough what I said earlier that the gun end is super critical to making them look good..

The thing I'm talking about is a very small detail, but hell it shows a bit.. to me it makes the gun very lame looking but to others might not even notice it or only brings it down a bit. I'm talking about the point on the very end of the gun where the bullet comes through. That piece/part whatever you wish to call it (nozzle=nose of object) should stick out on the top slightly which it is. I'm saying about the curved line just inside it that shows the inside of the barrel and it shows perspective which is tricky. All I was trying to say is the way you changed it is incorrect. Ok, follow me here look at the original look at yours see the very thin difference in the line how it bends? That is what I'm talking about that small curve line should bend out more and slightly follow around the rim/gun barrel. The other side of the circle should be bent slightly and off not in the middle. Atm, because of the way you have it done it appears like a squirt gun slightly. What I was saying up above is because of the perspective that is why Hawk made a point then made it ever so slim around the end. To show the gun barrel inside and to show depth to the hand, it makes the gun look more alive than fake..

Now, hitting you with that if you got it.. hopefully I will explain why it should be like that. Since, her arm is rolled over her waist she isn't really grasping the gun fully. You can see the gun is quite loose in her fingers. Notice the direction of the handle it's pointing not only that how it's turned. Now you can see the fingers barely resting on the handle right? Only one is actually barely grasping it really it's being held by the thumb, resting on the index finger gently, and mostly being palmed in her hand resting on her pouch somewhat.. So it's not fully in align to her fingers.. lol she was probably just reloading and yes it looks more cooler if you ask me.. You could probably easily knock it out of her hand by a surprise hit now this is what I call depth baby! By saying too dynamic to her fingers up above, I meant that you just inked the bullet hole/nozzle to the direction of her fingers. You are probably used to seeing a gun mostly held in with person's hand fully extended in this case the direction of the fingers grasping tight then it would be in align unless the hand is incorrect. But, you can clearly see yours is incorrect to the original right now, hopefully? What I meant about Hawk understood his pose better than you inked it was all there wasn't something easy to notice right away. The way the original is done you get a more alive gun/feel and it looks cooler not a slight lame factor.. as well as it stays in perspective. This is sort of more down towards the line of getting your drawings towards expert. It's a super small detail, but it's one well worth to learn in showing off any gun.. is in the gun's nozzle/gun chamber. All I'm saying is you have to ink it that the exact way he showed it lol, you could probably enhance it if you made the top slightly hangover. But, it's sort of already done just that little inner-bullet chamber circle needs to be set the way he had it.