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Shirai
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posted 02-05-2002 05:35 PM     Profile for Shirai   Email Shirai     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Finally my first post here, so nice to meet you all :3

While sketching this picture I decided to draw a dress for the character but not having the knowledge of dresses I went and got help XP The person that helped me was ScarletHawk so I owe it all to her for helping me complete the sketch :3

Then came the inking -_- I wanted to ink over the sketch using layout paper (tracing paper?) and the amount of times the inking went wrong... grr > it took three sheets to get the lineart I wanted. A few shaky lines here and there :/ but Scarlet is colouring it so it won't be noticed (i hope)

oh anybody living in the UK? I'm wondering if the pen "DR pigment ink Pilot drawing pen" is a good pen to ink with or if theres anything else thats better? its sold in WHSmiths at £3 or something like that XP its been giving me some trouble lately, there must be an alternative out there~

umm my ramblings XP

C&C welcome :3


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Bugsy
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posted 02-05-2002 05:44 PM     Profile for Bugsy   Author's Homepage   Email Bugsy     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
hehehe, member #40 posted >:] Glad you did, welcome XD Well I told you everything I had to say about this already Looking forward to scarlet's colouring *_*

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Bomu
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posted 04-05-2002 12:01 AM     Profile for Bomu   Author's Homepage   Email Bomu     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey Shirai, nice pic, cool character! The darker inking out line around the wings is really effective, maybe using more variable line weights on other parts of the picture might have worked well to? A general inking tip when doing curves is to move the paper so the curve you are inking is bending out towards the opposite direction from where you are. So if you then in from your wrist (while keeping your fingers locked), you're able to create a seemless arch in one go, without it looking all shakey.. Make sence?

Looking forward to more and the coloured version. ScarletHawk's been mentioned a few times here already, but I havn't seen what she's up to these days.

Hehe, the "DR pigment ink Pilot drawing pen" always gets mentioned or the Eddings pens- The UK really sucks as far as drawing equipment goes! The Pilot's are ok to start, but run out quickly plus they leave a faded looking line after the ink dries. I have no idea why those pens deserve to be so expencive! Alternativly there are the Edding pens (they sell them at Staples I'd imagine and other art equipment shops)- they give a much darker line, but also don't last very long >_< So go for the eddings, but if you wanna get serious about inking, I'd shop online for at least a set of Sakura micron pens, or some really expensive Koh-I-Noor Rapidograph pens!

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AKATT
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posted 04-05-2002 01:30 AM     Profile for AKATT   Email AKATT     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Great pic Shirai Love the dtail on the clothes and hands. I think it makes the pic more effective.

Don't wnna sound bad but I think that the head and neck looks a little large for the body. Can't wait to see the coloured version.

Yeah the UK sucks for drawing pens. Whenever I rub out pencil. lines after inking the ink fades out.

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G.i.A.m.
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posted 04-05-2002 11:24 PM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
hey wellcome onboard shirai.

my small critics would be, the line weights on the wings.
While there are great on the wings itself, I personaly think that they distract to much from the woman.
Maybe adding a outline, in size between the wings and the rest of the drawings, to the skin parts could help bringing back some attention to her.

Another thing that is a bit weird when you look for error's long enough .
Is the glass she is holding.
From the way the upper part is drawn, the lower part must run straight through her hand (and I'm sure it could hurt a bit).

but other than this its a great Pic I like the eyes and the detail on the clothing (and the wings are good too ).

For good pens to ink with well I don't know if you get them in the UK but the copic multiliner seems to be a good set (don't ask me about how long they hold I'm at my first set ).
They have 6 fineliner of different size and 2 brush pens in them.

Only downside there are not waterproof (but who wants to run water over their work anyways ).

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Shirai
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posted 07-05-2002 03:37 PM     Profile for Shirai   Email Shirai     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
sod* I must be blind... spent some quality time looking for the reply button Xo

Bugsy: Glad to be here X3 Can't wait to see Scarlets colouring :3 altho shes a bit stuck for the moment :/ I never colour as much but do you get that problem too? I'm guessing its some kinda artist block thing :/

Bomu: Yeah! I've tried putting that tip into pratice, its a bit wobbly still probably beacause I'm doing it too slowly :/ stupid DR pen leaves a faded trail if I go fast :/ The wings I wanted to give an unnatural look to it, wasn't sure if it would look good elsewhere still I should try it on my next work :3 Yeah I should order myself some Sakura microns or maybe the graphic design center down covent garden might have them... Just want to see if I can find a retail that would order them or even stock them, unlikely though :/ know any trust worthy sites? :3

AKATT: Thanks :3 I wasn't sure about the head myself till you pointed it out XP I think its a habit of drawing long faces. Yeah the ink does fade out when you erase the pencils Xo I didn't want that with this pic so I placed some layout paper over the sketch and inked that way :3 You should try it X3

G.i.A.m.: Thanks for the welcome XB, now that you mentioned it the wings do distract attention to the lady Xo I just relized that the first thing I see is the wings! *hangs head in shame* I'll remember that next time. Ah the glass incident, I tried to pose the hand like how a rich posh type person would hold a glass of wine XP I should've used a mirror instead XP

I think water proof pens are good for people with sweaty hands XB


I should really go down covent garden to that design center and get some new gear... I'm not up for going down dark allys on my own but they say the pen is mightier than the sword right? XB my DR should do some damage against knife attacks and thugs X3

Thanks for the cnc guys, it helped more than I imagined :3


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Bugsy
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posted 07-05-2002 04:35 PM     Profile for Bugsy   Author's Homepage   Email Bugsy     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah it happens that I get stuck on a pic. It's weird tho, while I'm stuck on one particular cg, I often don't have a problem colouring other pics. So it's kinda different from an artist block o_O;;

oh and btw, I found a shop close to my place where they sell Sakura pens *_* They're pretty good, and not too expensive :3

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