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FunkyC
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posted 26-09-2002 01:02 AM     Profile for FunkyC   Email FunkyC     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey everyone ^__^
I've decided that I want to start cging my art rather than painting them all the time, but I dont have any of those nifty programs on my computer. So, my birthday is coming up in about a month's time, so Im gonna ask for one fro my birthday (my dad knows Im interested, so my cunning plan should work) Only problem is, I dont know which one to ask for (I get confused easily) I hear a lot of people use 'Photoshop' or something, so should I go for that? Anyway, any info at all will be much appreciated, thanks!

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Jackel
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posted 26-09-2002 04:51 AM     Profile for Jackel   Author's Homepage   Email Jackel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Adobe Photoshop is probably one of the best, but Adobe stuff is pretty expensive. Photoshops around $300-$400(Canadian), but I really have no idea.

Another is Paint Shop Pro which is pretty good as well, I've heard it's easier to use than Photoshop, but I rarely CG stuff so I wouldn't know.

It's probably pretty simple to downlaod some of these on Kazaa, Grokster, etc.

Well probably didn't help at all, but somebody else will know something more about them.

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SongSiuHua
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posted 26-09-2002 09:50 AM     Profile for SongSiuHua   Email SongSiuHua     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Painter is my poison of choice for digital coloring.... however ive heard that photoshop 7 is almost the same. Id follow the advice and download BOTH Photoshop and Painter from Grokster and get a Wacom tablet for your birthday there's one thats under $100 bucks (US). A tablet makes all the difference to me in either program!!

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Pixie Nim
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posted 26-09-2002 10:15 AM     Profile for Pixie Nim   Author's Homepage   Email Pixie Nim     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Personally, I prefer Adobe Photoshop 6 to 7, but I think it's personal taste... Painter is a VERY good program (don't own it myself, sadly)...

but I think Jackel's right about this, it's gonna be much much cheaper and easier to download these programs from Kazaa or some similar site, that way you're not forking out truck-loads of cash for them. I got my copy of Photoshop 6 completely free this way - and also Dreamweaver, Acid Pro, etc etc... Unless you have the world's slowest or most unreliable internet connection, that's gotta be the best way to go about this....

erm. no. of course I'm not recommending stealing things. Of course not. I'm FAAAAR too responsible... <------- disclaimer...!

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G.i.A.m.
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posted 26-09-2002 11:02 AM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
OK, would you all please stop suggesting, the stealing of hard and creativ work of others.

I mean you dont like it when people steal your stuff (drawings for example) either, right.

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G.i.A.m.
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posted 26-09-2002 12:15 PM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
For your question

Adobe Photoshop is the industrie standart and is propably the most polished graphicsuite.
It is the best program when it comes to printing, but the prize resamples that it is a profesional tool.

Jasc Paintshop Pro(personaly I use this) is like a consumer version of Photoshop, it has most feat.
That PS has but they arent as polished.
So it can take some time to archive the same quality as PS, 'couse sometime you have to do 2-3 steps, where PS needs only one.

RL Vision's Artgem I only gave it a brief testing, but it has all the basic tools to color a picture.
The airbrush tool seems to be inbetween the quality of PS and PSP.
The Interface of Artgem however, is pretty unique and can take some time to get used too (atleast if you come from another graphic suite).

The Gimp is a opensource project for linux, but there is a windows port.
Cant say much about it, seems to be a good program but the windows port was pretty buggy last time I checked it (a year ago)

All the programs above are geared(or have their roots) toward photomanipulation.


Procreate Painter this piece of software is different compared to the others above.
It does'nt come with much tools to manipulate existing pictures/photos, it simulates real drawing tools instead(and is pretty good at it).
Quite alot of people love this program and I have seen astouning art made with this.

Opencanvas is a japanese program and it also simulates paint(mainly watercolor). It is'nt as feature rich as Painter but it is easy to use.


Like SongSiuHua said, you should consider buying a digital tablet too.
All the programs listed above fully support them and shading is alot easier with it.
Painter and Opencanvas are allmost useless without one.

The best company, when it comes to tablets, is Wacom.
The Graphire is a good starter deal(I'm using one) and comes with a watered down version of Painter and Photoshop.

I would say that your best bet is tho, to check the programs yourself.
All companys have a trial version for download availble

Adobe Photoshop

RL Vision Artgem

Jasc Software Paintshop Pro

Gimp windows port

Procreate Painter

Portalgraphics Opencanvas

Wacom

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Bugsy
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posted 26-09-2002 02:58 PM     Profile for Bugsy   Author's Homepage   Email Bugsy     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well Giam kinda nailed it there

About Photoshop, I'm with Pixie Nim; I prefer 6 to 7, because it's more straightforward and much easier in use.

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FunkyC
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posted 27-09-2002 12:50 AM     Profile for FunkyC   Email FunkyC     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Wow! Thanks for all the info guys, I got a better response than I expected ^__^
I never really considered a tablet before, but after reading all this, I think I've changed my mind.


Ok, I checked out that Wacom site, and saw the Graphire tablet for $99, and it comes with 'Adobe Photoshop LE & Corel Painter Classic ' Are these any good? ^__^

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posted 27-09-2002 01:50 AM     Profile for Bomu   Author's Homepage   Email Bomu     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ahh, ha- Looks like you been converted to the dark side of CGing! However I'd give up any CGing skills I had if I could paint better with a traditional brush.

I used to have PhotoShop 4LE - It was a great. You could only have 4 layers I think, but that's enough for a lot of people. So yeah, Try out the LE eversions of both and see what you decide is best - I think your work would looks best done in Painter tho Funcky - It's a package that's becomming increasingly popular with digital artists, but for me PhotoShop will have to do

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Ayzie
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posted 27-09-2002 05:26 AM     Profile for Ayzie   Author's Homepage   Email Ayzie     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
When I bought my WACOM Graphire, I got a copy of Adobe Photoshop LE also. Even though it has limited features, all you really need is the paintbrush tool

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posted 27-09-2002 01:48 PM     Profile for plastic_corpse   Email plastic_corpse     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The tablet with the 2 programs would be a good place to start.

The tablet's worth its weight in gold and the 2 progs are enough to be getting on with.

IMO buying either of the the progs and no tablet aint the way to go.

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FunkyC
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posted 28-09-2002 12:21 AM     Profile for FunkyC   Email FunkyC     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Do you get 'layering' in photoshop LE? thats something I REALLY want

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