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Bomu
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posted 02-03-2003 02:52 AM     Profile for Bomu   Author's Homepage   Email Bomu     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'm in the middle of writting some extensive 'drawing anime' tutorials and would like to include as many "quick Art Tips" as I can. If you know and techniques or shortcuts to do with anything when it comes to drawing, add them to the list!

At the moment I have:

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Do your drawings look a mess after constant erasing? Try pressing your pencil on the paper lighter and use a lighter pencil like a 2H. When you are happy with your work, you can go over the lines with a darker pencil (B) or ink.
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Look at magazines, manga and comics for reference to see how the pros do it. As soon as you understand what makes an anime style and way artists draw they way they do, it makes the learning process easier..
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posted 02-03-2003 11:18 AM     Profile for Angelo   Author's Homepage   Email Angelo     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Bomu! U want tips? I have some, they aren't tech. things as such, they're more like psychological things:

- PRACTICE!!! Most of the artists on this forum didn't get to the stage they are at now without practising.

- If you feel you have no new ideas for drawings, go back and redraw any old pictures you did before - you'll be pleasantly surprised by the improvement, so giving you a feel-good inspiration.
Alternatively, take a break, watch some TV or play a game - you could find yourself inspired by those.

- When inking, work at a steady pace. DO NOT RUSH IT - remember, it's that lineart you'll be using for CGing, so make sure you go back over your picture and fill any gaps (ie bits where lines appear disconnected)

- Before you do ink, try and relax your hands in some way - a shaky hand will leave the lineart looking messy.

- If there's something you like in a game, try hooking the console up to a VCR. Let me cite an example from my experience. To me, the 'Sparda' sword out of 'Devil May Cry' is such a badass looking weapon that I wanted to draw it. I had no sources, apart from the game, so I recorded parts where you could see the blade properly. I then paused the video and drew it. Just a tip, if there is a weapon/character you would like to draw.

If I think of any more, I'll put them up here.

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Bomu
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posted 02-03-2003 06:21 PM     Profile for Bomu   Author's Homepage   Email Bomu     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks Angelo- that's good stuff! I have another

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Sometimes it can be a good idea to plan out more complicated scenes or poses before you draw them properly. I sometimes draw 4 or 5 thumbnail sketches to plan out just one picture. It can save a lot of time in the long run by getting rid of your mistakes aty an earlier stage.

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posted 03-03-2003 10:42 AM     Profile for Pixie Nim   Author's Homepage   Email Pixie Nim     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
hmm... how about...

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practice drawing from life and from photos as much as possible - draw strangers on the bus (they'll never know!). All practice is good practice, and ignore so-called purists who tell you "copying is wrong": you can learn a lot from it, and it isn't wrong as long as you don't pass it off as original.

Getting a general feel of shape and form is better than total accuracy, so don't sweat the small things, you'll just make yourself unhappy with your work (and make your work worse by endless rubbing-out!)

Take a sketchpad wherever you go, and draw everything you see, and as much as possible - draw people walking down the street even if they don't stop. Draw the train station while you're waiting for the train. When you're in the pub, draw your friends and the barstaff. Try drawing with your off-hand (left handed if you're right handed and vice versa), or drawing without looking at the page, or even drawing blindfolded only through touch!

If you like to go out drinking with your friends, try drawing after you've had a few. It relaxes your hands and gives you more confidence, and you might be surprised at the results.

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erm, thassit for now. But I might post a bunch of drawing exercises my tutor (Felix) gave us to practice and learn. He's a professional illustrator, so I like to think he knows what he's talking about!

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posted 03-03-2003 08:57 PM     Profile for JBinc84   Author's Homepage   Email JBinc84     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
heh, must try that drawing while drunk tip sometime Nim! I might be new here, but I do have one little tip... always bug your friends for drawing requests, even if they're not into drawing; you'll give them something of yours they can cherish and you get to draw something you might not necessarily have thought of drawing yourself.
(This is of course especially if you're like me and are always running out of ideas )

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posted 03-03-2003 11:51 PM     Profile for Bomu   Author's Homepage   Email Bomu     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks Pix - I should definetly take note of that 2nd one! And SilentDan mentioned the Drinking (replace drinking /w dope ) effects and how it can make u produce wonders - I wanna try that one too to see if you're all right

Hehe, and I dunno about yours JBinc84- I get so many people ask for requests that it just pisses me off! Maybe it's different if you actually know the person asking you?

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posted 03-03-2003 11:58 PM     Profile for JBinc84   Author's Homepage   Email JBinc84     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
oh yeah Bomu, definately.... I got plenty of crazy friends with crazy ideas y'see But the only problem is your friends don't always give constructive critisism. Oh and the other problem'd be taking on too much... trying to do custom Xmas cards for about 10 people in a week with a shoddy printer is not a good idea! Still, it was worth it in the end!

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posted 06-03-2003 09:48 PM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
have some too.

-Stay away from erasures,
They are like crack, if you start to use them you cant quit.
In the end you spend more time erasing lines, than drawing the image(finish the drawing and erase afterwards, things you dont like).

-If you draw from something (model photo or anything else around you),
Spend atleast the same amount of time looking at the object, that you spend looking at your drawing(and I dont mean looking......drawing; I mean looking,drawing,looking,drawing,looking,drawing)

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posted 09-03-2003 05:22 AM     Profile for kaori shima   Author's Homepage   Email kaori shima     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
oohhh good stuff, i can record while i play? XD

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draw! draw! draw! bored at work? take out a piece of paper and doodle. tired of listening to your teacher? draw that fav anime character! when you draw everyday, it makes a big difference!

paper dolls!!!! having trouble with clothes? there are realistic paper dolls at barnes and nobles featuring every decade in america to traditional clothes from other cultures - my japanese paper dolls are gorgeous!

walter foster how to draw and paint books - i dont care if you CG! you should be able to apply basic painting skills to your CG medium

tired of angular looking people? i found a use for blid/contour drawing!! contour drawings help you draw more fluid, natural, and youre drawings will look more alive than something that is angular *unless thats your style!*

NATURE BOOKS FOR PLANTS AND ANIMALS! if you draw anything that has nature, get nature books!! or look at the nature around you *if any* alot of people who draw forests, seem to draw the same old forest -o- use the same colors - brown and green. if you get some nature books youll notice theres more to forests than brown and green!

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well thats my useless advice

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Yeh, u can record stuff on a game onto a VCR. In my case, I took the composite lead (the one with the red, white and yellow wire) and linked up between my PS2 and my VCR, via another socket on the VCR somewhere (they should be coloured red, white and yellow, to indicate which wire goes in which). Find the right channel/line, which it will play through (eg my game showed on line 2), hit record and play to your heart's content, in the safe knowledge that (in my case) all the 'Stylish' ratings scored will be preserved on tape.

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posted 10-03-2003 07:40 PM     Profile for neo   Email neo     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
THE LAZY ASS SCHOOL OF DRAWIN

Dont be afraid to hide stuff. Many, MANY people on deviant draw their charas in flared raver pants cos they cant draw legs. Use baggy jumpers, is her neck givin you trouble, stick a mosher moptop on her and use the hair to cover her neck. Cant draw hands, stick em in pockets.

In short, if youve tried to draw a part of a drawin a million times and keep erasin it, cover the awkward bits with convenient clothing, hair.

If you truly wanna be great, this isnt for you and should be used sparingly, only a useful tactic if theres a bit on a really good drawin you cant seem to get right. Overusing it will atrophy your artyness.

I thought id have more tips but I dont have any real arty system to speak of. Sorry Bomu.


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posted 17-03-2003 05:26 PM     Profile for Angelo   Author's Homepage   Email Angelo     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Got some more tips:
Always keep a sharp pencil. I've lost count of the number of times my drawings looked a bit crap because I couldn't draw in precise detail.
When you open up one of those 'How To Draw Manga' books (Bugsy will know what I'm talking about) you will find so much 'required' equipment. That's for the professionals who make the comics. For yours truly, the only equipment used is:

3 pencils (H, HB and B)
- NB 2 pencils should be the minimium
- H for drafting, HB for drawing final lines

2 pens (thin and felt tip)
- for inking, the thin pen is good for going over main lines. For patches of black, use a felt tip, to cover a greater area.

Putty eraser
- trés useful, mes amis/amies. Mould them into a fine point and get rid of small areas. They also leave no debris.

Ruler
- good for backgrounds and perspective building

Sharpener
- I can't think of a more effective way to keep a pencil sharp, can you?

Games magazines, Animé/manga magazines - in fact, any magazine/book!
- sourcework is good for you. Trust me, it is.

Well, that's pretty much my equipment. It's worked for me fine so far. Remember, what equipment you use always depends on whether you need it. Think about if you will use it in future pieces before buying.

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posted 19-03-2003 01:04 PM     Profile for Pixie Nim   Author's Homepage   Email Pixie Nim     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, I gotta disagree with the hiding stuff tip from neo - laziness won't improve your drawing, and most artists can tell when you're trying to hide things, especially hands. doing things you find tricky is the key to getting better.

also, the sharpener issue with Angelo - I don't find I need one very frequently! only if I'm drawing something very tiny! I almost never use one at all. I almost never use a rubber these days either - and I think that's a good thing. Putty rubbers are excellent, tho...

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I know it wont improve your drawin, but if you have a first class piece infront of you and youve tried a million times to do her (whatever), try n hide it before you get too pissed off n screw it up.
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posted 19-03-2003 10:44 PM     Profile for Angelo   Author's Homepage   Email Angelo     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
How'd you manage that, Pixie? You discovered some legendary sharp pencil that never goes blunt?

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posted 19-03-2003 10:52 PM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Actually there are mechanical pencils which keep there linewide (alot comicartists use those), but for sketching I prefer normal pencils sharpend whenever I think its needed.

Well I kinda agree with both of you pixie and Neo.
Practice is important, focus on things that are a problem.
But if it is a important deathline, money giving task. Do every trick and cheat you know to get the job done as best as possible.

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Ta GIAM
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posted 20-03-2003 05:04 PM     Profile for Angelo   Author's Homepage   Email Angelo     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hehe, deathline GIAm? I didn't realise artists were under that much pressure...

(crowd stares blankly. Silence and tumbleweeds. Angelo walks off stage, resolute never to perform any more stand up comedy)

BTW, could someone post up a pic of what a mechanical pencil looks like? I'm sure they sound familiar...

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posted 20-03-2003 08:26 PM     Profile for neo   Email neo     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Pixie is the art queen. Im sure she has many eversharp spells to cast on her pencils

Well, she certainly has charm anyway... Magical or not


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Heh, cool!- some interesting ones there. Thanks again.

Angelo- Mech pencils are those 'clicky clicky' pencils!- Usually sold for between 50p-a fiver ($1-$9). I use them a lot since Im fed up of sharpening.
Like Pix said, not all pencils need sharpening often- harder lead pencils (H) will last a lot longer than the softer (B) variety.

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OH yeh! NOW I REMEMBER! I used to buy loads of those, but my friends kept nicking and breaking them - the bastards
I should think about investing in one of those at some point...
Question: can you get leads of different hardness and colours for mechanical pencils?

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posted 24-03-2003 10:46 PM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quick anwser yes, they come in various lead sizes, strenghts and colors.

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yeeess... I have magic pencils. they don't need sharpening!

actually, drawing a lot in charcoal at the moment (high contrasty stuffs) and not doing much cartooning at all. just a helluva lot of life drawing. MUCH!

and as for pencils, I usually sharpen it once at the beginning of a drawing, and then finish as quickly as possible. I just don't seem to need a sharpener or an eraser much these days. And I tend towards HB (I know, I know, not the best choice!) - but you can get them in big packs at WHSmiths cheaply, and you don't hafta set 'em wiv fixative like soft sketching pencils! hoorah! ;)

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posted 27-03-2003 09:50 PM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
How much a pencil smears could also depending on the paper.
I work on a sketchpad right now, with a mechanical hb pencil and the thing smears like hell, grml.

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posted 27-03-2003 10:16 PM     Profile for Angelo   Author's Homepage   Email Angelo     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
aaaahhh, good old fixative. How can I forget, from my Art GCSE days? I never really used proper fixative, truth to tell, I used my Mum's hairspray (she didn't mind of course ). That was probably just as good.
Question to anyone in the UK about mechanical pencils: Are there any shops that sell different leads and colours?
Btw Pix, how's the prep for your interview going?

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