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VanillaBeanDuck
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posted 21-09-2003 02:32 AM     Profile for VanillaBeanDuck   Author's Homepage   Email VanillaBeanDuck     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hmmmm....

I was just wondering how to get started with doing vector art. I have Photoshop 7, and Illustrator 10, but Illustrator isn't installed. I just want a quick overview on what it is, and what programs to use and such... If it's not too much trouble! Thanks in advance...

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Bomu
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posted 22-09-2003 12:51 AM     Profile for Bomu   Author's Homepage   Email Bomu     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Vector art is something I know hardly anything about, apart from the fact most people make good use of Adobe Illustrator for it's Vertor tools, so it might be worth installing that

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posted 22-09-2003 01:56 AM     Profile for Pencil Soldier   Email Pencil Soldier     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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G.i.A.m.
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posted 11-10-2003 04:14 PM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
ok very late but here we go:

There are two ways a PC can describe a image.

One is by Pixel, that means the image data discribes every single pixel that has to be displayed on the monitor.

However there is another way, by Vectors.
In school you learned, or will learn, how a mathematical formula can be drawn out.
This is basicly how vector art works.
Instead of pixel informations a vector image is build up of mathematical formulas.
But in modern programs you wont see anything of the formulas (thank god).

Vector can have several advantages over Pixel,
the images are smaller (kb wise) and you can resize it as much as you want it, without degrading the image(good for printing as you can make a image small and blow it up later).

Disadvantage however is,
to archive photorealistic quality in an image means alot of formulas, resulting not only in huge files, but also in slow display speed (the computer must do the formulas afterall).

For programs:
Adobe Illustrator, Coreldraw are the biggest one PSP has some vector funktionality in it aswell.
And there are tons of others I think.

btw. Flash and 3d Programs are Vectorbased aswell.

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kingnat
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posted 02-11-2003 07:40 PM     Profile for kingnat   Email kingnat     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Something which might be considered a good use of the vector art is the storage of your inked lineart as a vector graphic. You get clean crisp lines much more quickly and easily than with the raster of it.

You can convert your scanned lineart into vectors using adobe streamline.

Some people swear by it (I couldn't tell you if it's good for me, as I haven't tried it yet)


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G.i.A.m.
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posted 05-11-2003 02:09 AM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yup that can be a great way especial to get some lines out of your small drawing for poster size.

But I dunno 130 euro is a bit too much (as allways with adobe) for a program that only convert pixel to vector, tho its the best on the market from what I heard and saw.

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kingnat
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posted 23-11-2003 08:23 PM     Profile for kingnat   Email kingnat     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by G.i.A.m.:
But I dunno 130 euro is a bit too much (as allways with adobe) for a program that only convert pixel to vector, tho its the best on the market from what I heard and saw.

[ 05-11-2003: Message edited by: G.i.A.m. ]


Yeah, it is a bit pricey (hence I've not tried it) but you say it's the best in it's field? Are there any cheaper alternatives? It's definately something I'd want to consider.


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posted 28-11-2003 05:14 PM     Profile for slumdog   Email slumdog     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Flash has a bitmap tracing tool that can be used in a similar way to Streamline for vectorising line art. However it has much less functionality than streamline and requires a fair amount of trial and error to produce a decent conversion. Admittedly Flash is a bit pricey too, but then you don't just get a tracing tool for your money.

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VanillaBeanDuck
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posted 07-12-2003 10:20 PM     Profile for VanillaBeanDuck   Author's Homepage   Email VanillaBeanDuck     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Does anyone know how to work with Illustrator? I just installed it and I have no clue on how to use anything, well...maybe reading the manual would work.

Just any tips and tricks would be nice. Thanks.

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G.i.A.m.
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posted 08-12-2003 07:17 AM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well the Coreldraw suit comes with a similar program, but it did'nt worked that well in my eyes.
Also I remember several freeware and shareware tools, they where mostly aimed to convert Architectical drawings into Vectorshapes.

I think doing a search for "vector, trace, convert" should find some of them.

VanillaBD sorry I never worked with Illustrator so I cant help here.

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posted 16-01-2004 05:21 PM     Profile for Fransgaard   Author's Homepage   Email Fransgaard     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Does anyone know how to work with Illustrator?

I do, but it is quite hard to explain in words if you haven't used vector tools before, BUT half of learning illustrator is learning how to use the PEN tool, so look for tutorials about that.

Try this:
Choose the pen tool, click a point in the middle of the canvas.

Do NOT let go of the mouse button but drag it out to one side.

This should give you a dot with two handles, one pointing to where you drag and the other in the opposite direction.

Now click a new dot somewhere else, but this time do NOT hold the mouse button down.

You should now see a curved line between your two dots.

Now if you choose the WHITE ARROW and click and drag on of the handles on the first dot, you will move your curved line.

Did that help?


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Zephos
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posted 28-02-2004 04:52 AM     Profile for Zephos   Author's Homepage   Email Zephos     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Mastering the Pen too can be very hard for some if you are used to working in Raster type graphics apps (Like Photoshop). Lately though, Photoshop has brought in more functions for it's own built in Pen tool, and some people prefer to work it in PS than in Illustrator this way (It functions differently however, as the paths in PS behave differently from the line paths in Illustrator, but it is hard to explain).

If you have a Wacom Tablet, you can use a modifed version of the freehand tool (Adjust it's resiliance, smoothness and so fourth to make it nice and curvy, or rough and detailed, according to your tastes) and do pretty well for yourself without the Pen tool, but understanding vectors is the basis of Illustrator, so sooner or later, you're going to figure things out the hard way.

With practice though, you can achieve perfect curves in just about any situation you want with the Pen tool. I suppose a good other alternative, as mentioned earlier by someone else, is to use Streamline to scan in your work, although in my experience, you'd have to have traced it over with a dark soft pencil lead or inked it, then adjust the contrast in photoshop to make it stand out in order for Streamline not to go insane (Streamline has it's technical limits, so you practically have to spell it out for it in literal black and white if you want it to do a good job)

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