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Art Dude
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posted 31-01-2004 05:47 AM     Profile for Art Dude   Author's Homepage   Email Art Dude     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hello I've been drawing for ages I've gotten bette rbut I still suck and art tips would be great thanks.

I draw anime girls, monsters & dragonsweb page

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Tri_kento
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posted 31-01-2004 04:59 PM     Profile for Tri_kento   Author's Homepage   Email Tri_kento     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hello, So for tips i have a few. First off if your trying to draw manga i would not insist on trying to us MS paint(stick pencil and paper. 2nd try learning the basics then do full bodys(try just doing some mug shots so you get the hang of all the elements of what a picture is made of. 3rd practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice well i think u get my point(but don't practice so much u get sick of drawing because when u do that it makes the pieace u are working on look really half assed.

well i hope this helped u any bit, your truly Tri_kento

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<Matt the Manga artist>
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I have a tip. If you want to draw males' eyes, you have to make a 'C' kind of shape on the left and a backwards C on the right with 3quarters of an oval beginning at the top of the eye placed here at the beginning of the eye C<---- Do the same to the other eye. Now put a smaller oval *the colour part or the pupil* make 1-3 small sized circles in the smaller oval. colour the oval but not the circles in the oval. These make the best eyes for a grinning, angry, ready, etc expression.
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posted 06-04-2004 12:58 AM     Profile for Tri_kento   Author's Homepage   Email Tri_kento     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
From looking at your web site i can see there is lots of room for improvment mabey manga style drawing isn't your thing by the looks of it and for a major tip make sure every thing is the right scale to match the rest like i was looking at this one pic of yours that i think was a hawk if no sry the beak was way to small and outa shap if you drawing people open a magazine and look at peoples faces so you learn all the lines and such.

hint hint nudge nidge poke poke"these are tips don't go savage and have a spaz ok? "

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Art Dude
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posted 06-04-2004 03:53 AM     Profile for Art Dude   Author's Homepage   Email Art Dude     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
ya I know I neeed work I'm getting better but slowly need to practis more I just wish I could get better a little faster

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Venom_#1
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posted 06-04-2004 10:10 AM     Profile for Venom_#1   Email Venom_#1     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Best performance would be to watch a few Animes, so look at the details they've used in there. I do so and after that I can draw much better.
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Tri_kento
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posted 06-04-2004 03:23 PM     Profile for Tri_kento   Author's Homepage   Email Tri_kento     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Venom_#1:
Best performance would be to watch a few Animes, so look at the details they've used in there. I do so and after that I can draw much better.

I spos that would make our drawings look better but it seems to me to be a kind of tracing sorta if u think about it. it's all right to be insipred and maby use some the same techinecs but u don't want to go full out an draw the same thing and call it your own :P unless your doing fan art then it's o k. well i gtg school hehe after today and tommorow it's easter break for 15 days ^_^

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posted 06-04-2004 11:08 PM     Profile for Bomu   Author's Homepage   Email Bomu     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think it depends what level you're at with your art. I used to copy pictures from magazines and so on when I was younger. Only problem comes when you start claiming you created the picture (which was copied) from scratch.
If art is something you are serious about wanting to get good at, I'd try to avoid copying. Even fan art should be orginal, but obviously using existing character designs.

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Tri_kento
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posted 07-04-2004 02:01 AM     Profile for Tri_kento   Author's Homepage   Email Tri_kento     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I see your point bomu and i agree 100%. When i was a young lad in the old country i remember i would buy my Zelda games then look thoughe the booklets and start drawing all the funny little pictures and hand them in to art class "([{ showing my source}])" /giving credit. and i would get a fair grade. then i got hooked on sameria pizza cats ,DBZ ,Gundam wing and soon on other animes then I tried drawing them and after a few years my mother went into Regina(big city in saskatchewan) and bought me your book i read it cover the copyright and then emailed u a couple times and soon after i started to make my own characters and such i think i have really improved BIG TIME.


Well it looks like instead of me giving my opion i gave my life story lol. sry :P

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Yuki H.
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posted 07-04-2004 07:38 PM     Profile for Yuki H.   Author's Homepage   Email Yuki H.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Art Dude:
ya I know I neeed work I'm getting better but slowly need to practis more I just wish I could get better a little faster

If you learn from your mistakes then you would get better. It is not bad at all I have no tips though.

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Venom_#1
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posted 08-04-2004 01:16 PM     Profile for Venom_#1   Email Venom_#1     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah, to learn out of your mistakes is the most important thing, especially in drawing!
There are so many things to have an eye on and with training those mistakes ought to disappear. ... BTW, I noticed that the hair is often hanging in front of the face but the eye brows are still withdrawn, so that you can see both... hair and eye brow, is it so necessary?? I think this looks rather clumpsy, what doyou think about that "technique" so far??

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Zephos
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posted 08-08-2004 11:26 AM     Profile for Zephos   Author's Homepage   Email Zephos     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have one specific recommendation for those who still early in the artist stages:

Never hesitate to do fan art!

To this one day, my biggest regret of my early drawing days is that I never did ANY fanart whatsoever, it was against my personal belief. Fanart is a great way to learn new techniques and syphon inspiration, and by retaining a base reference from professional works, you can learn a great deal that you would normally have to learn the hard way. It also opens you up to a wide base of different styles. When you decide to make a living out of it, you simply just don't have the drive to do fan art as in your early artist days.

Oh! Of course, if you have access to a place to do Life Drawings/Studies, that helps a lot too. Also, keep in mind that all drawing (save abstract) is at least based half on observation. Practice makes perfect, but practicing smart gets you there faster. Also, some may disagree with this, but don't exclusively practice anime/manga style. If the only thing you draw is cute anime girls, that's the only thing you will be good at drawing. Drawing is a skill, just as a person who has mastered speaking a foreign language can learn another one much easier, one who is good at drawing in general can learn the anime/manga style quite easily. Usual exception to every rule applies.

Oh! And don't spend too much time on one drawing, or it will suck the life out of you. Above all else, practice structure, proportions and line quality, the three things that if you do wrong, will stand out the most in a drawing. Speed comes naturally, but it is also extremely important, currently my personal focus.

I have a long way to go myself on a technical base, and definitely should eat some of my own advice a bit more (My personal weakness is anatomy, I draw so many cute things that don't take it into account, that I tend to suffer for it), but as long as people like my work, I can be happy. Hmmm... and my smily avatar seems to be gone... back to the profile...

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Bomu
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posted 08-08-2004 02:23 PM     Profile for Bomu   Author's Homepage   Email Bomu     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Great advice Zephos. Fan art is good for refining your style of drawing. But style should be something that comes later after you've got at least a general grip on the basics.

Another tip, might be to create a "101 things to draw list". This is something I've done, which I can gradually cross off and hopefully at the end of it, I'll become a super artists! Some things I added, which I feel I need to practice include:

78. Drawing Practice1: wolf
79. Drawing Practice2: eagle
80. Drawing Practice3: lizzard
81. Drawing Practice4: cat
82. Drawing Practice5: mouse
83. Drawing Practice6: frog
84. Drawing Practice7: insect
85. Drawing Practice8: statue
86. Drawing Practice9: buildings
87. Drawing Practice10: shoes
88. Drawing Practice11: drapery
89. Drawing Practice12: car
90. Drawing Practice13: motor bike
91. Drawing Practice14: cakes and candy
92. Drawing Practice15: flowers and plants

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Tri_kento
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posted 09-08-2004 08:56 PM     Profile for Tri_kento   Author's Homepage   Email Tri_kento     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well I've been moving in my new house for like 1 1/2 months so far and i am really finding it hard to settle down and draw anything. But me and my dad are building a new desk for my new room to suport my new coputer am getting(a Dell Dimension 2400 desktop) witch i plan to shove a 120 hard drive to replace it's 40 and some more ram.

any ways with this new desk it will be nice to have a steardy desk to work on my drawings a little more and have some eldbow room . (well that really isn't a tip but i thouhgt i would tell every one my news since it seemed big to be.

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Zephos
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posted 12-08-2004 03:03 AM     Profile for Zephos   Author's Homepage   Email Zephos     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
That's good I find it interesting how the desk a person uses reflects their personality... well, maybe everything an artist uses reflects their personality in one way or another, but... anyhow... Southpole tangent aside, do you guys prefer to use tilted angle desks that are easier on your back or flat drafting tables?

Most artists that I know use the angled desk because they prevent you from ruinating your spine and other nasty stuff... that being said, I find it odd that I use a big flat drafting/light table. I love the thing, it saw me through the worst of my animation school days, but it's hard, cold steely sharp corners are very user hostile... particularly since it sits smack dab in the middle of my apartment and older and heavier than 3 of me.

Oh yeah! Bomu. good idea with the drawing list. A lot of up and starting artists often have a hard time encouraging themselves to draw things that out of their field of interest or expertise (Because they either will not like or it, or will suck at it) but like a personal planner or a schedule or any written document, it can be motivational if you have a solid written quota to work with.

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posted 12-08-2004 07:57 PM     Profile for Tri_kento   Author's Homepage   Email Tri_kento     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
mm tilted desks. well i spos i've drawn on them but not by my own will it was for drafting class. i've always loved a flat surface(stupied pencils and pens don't roll off the desk then :P) any ways ya i like the flat ones more.

also for my computer i've changed my mind i've found a great deal at staples for a Compaq bundle , u get a pc : 40 hard (am going to change to a 120 and 256MB SD RAM with am going to up date to. then u get keyboard,mouse,speakers,monitor,printer and this really cool scanner with a see thoughe tops this is what a needed bad know i can finaly scan my pics YA! ok well am going to go do some other stuff know so talk later every one

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posted 17-08-2004 10:09 AM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I like your list idea there Bomu.

hm Art tips:

Drawing is 90% observing and 10% Technic so take a good look at the world.

remember to measure alot to get the proportions right.

keep old drawings and flip through them from time to time it helps to see your progress over the years, and can be a source of new/forgotten ideas.

hm for drawing I use a Clipboard this way I can draw everywhere (in bed, in front of the TV/computer, outside).

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Bomu
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posted 17-08-2004 01:23 PM     Profile for Bomu   Author's Homepage   Email Bomu     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by G.i.A.m.:

hm for drawing I use a Clipboard this way I can draw everywhere (in bed, in front of the TV/computer, outside).

I use a clip board too for most of my drawing. I wanted a big A2 slanted drawing board to draw on, but would I use it? I dunno if it's worth spending a few hundred bucks just in case I end up packing it away a few months later. Although the reduced back and neck pains would be great. I hate those time when you want to keep drawing, but are forced to stop due to neck strain.

btw, where have you been Giam? I had nearly caught up to your 4 figure post count

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posted 17-08-2004 02:16 PM     Profile for SilentDan   Author's Homepage   Email SilentDan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
t to know how I had learn't to draw...by being incredibly bored! No seriously, If you want to draw you must have nothing else on your mind. You shound't force the picture out like a job, enjoy it. I usually draw while watching T.V. but I'm not so sure thats the best way to do it... But it works for me lol

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posted 17-08-2004 03:51 PM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'm just back to defend my post count

na my connection was down for several month.
But not much changed still the lazy guy as ever.

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posted 17-08-2004 06:09 PM     Profile for Angelo   Author's Homepage   Email Angelo     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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No seriously, If you want to draw you must have nothing else on your mind. You shound't force the picture out like a job, enjoy it.

I second that point. I still remember sitting at my desk, trying to think of something to draw, for half an hour, then giving up through sheer frustrations. What's worse is starting to draw something, then binning it bcos it was crap. I've had several of those episodes already.

Hehe, welcome back G.i.A.m. Was wondering where you'd gotten to! Well, here's hoping the connection does not get FUBAR on you again.

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yes! i double second this, if thats allowed the starting to draw then binning is very common here too you cant just sit and try to force a new pic down.
The best way i find to draw is at my desk...not watching tv or anything, i might have some music on tho
And i think someone else way up there said dont hesitate to do fanart, yea im gonna second that too i havent drawn anything original for ages but i sat down and drew a few characters from Manhunt and i thought a couple of the pics were pretty cool, that is untill i looked at SilentDan's orc pic
Theres the hint of the week, get lots n lots of coffee n spend a year on one picture apparently works

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posted 18-08-2004 02:22 PM     Profile for SilentDan   Author's Homepage   Email SilentDan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
LOL Thanx s1l3nt!

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posted 20-08-2004 06:20 AM     Profile for Zephos   Author's Homepage   Email Zephos     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I personally work well under any given circumstance, but I usually like a little ambience in the background, because it's what I'm used to back in my film school days, like the drone of the tv in a low volumn or so fourth... dead silence kinda' throws my rhythm off and distorts my sense of time, also, sometimes, it allows my artistic subroutines to take over, so it doesn't seem quite as hard in retrospect. Theoredically, it should work better in complete silence, but I find that the difference is miniscule ultimately... I find it ironic that I need to have complete silence when I write though... I suppose my visual ability is more finely automated than my verbal one.

On a slightly related note, it is the job of a professional to work out masterpieces even when they feel like absolute crap and would rather be taking one direction bungee jumping lessons. That being said, professionals of any art form, particularly animation are infamous for nervous breakdowns and mass burnouts (Animation takes many people of talent and production can be a warzone, if you are the weakest link in the house and holding everyone in the chain up, then the pressure is suffocating), not to mention extremely unhealthy diets and lack of exercise...

Sometimes, your best drawings will come on your worst days when you feel at your lowest, and other times, a really bad drawing when you are inspired will ruin your entire day, inspiritation will only take you ultimately so far without still, determination and a threshold for pain. Still, gotta' have fun, and try and minimize stress and pressure as much as possible. When you don't have deadlines, it is really a lot more fun, but still, sometimes they are required for motivation

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posted 23-08-2004 04:35 AM     Profile for Art Dude   Author's Homepage   Email Art Dude     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
thanks for all the tips guys they really help

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