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Saber
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posted 11-11-2004 04:35 AM     Profile for Saber   Author's Homepage   Email Saber     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Does anyone know what art tools are the best for coloring without using Photoshop? And whats tools are best for shading in your drawings in manga comics?

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posted 11-11-2004 09:50 AM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Most mangas are black and white only 'couse the produktion and printing costs for colored mangas are higher.
But if you wanna color I would go with what ever suits you best.

colored pencils, watercolors, copic marker, ballpoint pen, acrylics, oil, airbrush, crayons, potato stamps... it doesnt realy matter.

A good choice for beginners is the colored pencil tho, the handling is pretty much the same as a normal pencil.

but keep in mind no matter what tools you choose it will take time to get used to them, and they are not the key to a good coloring (practice and knowing what you do is).

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Saber
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posted 12-11-2004 04:35 AM     Profile for Saber   Author's Homepage   Email Saber     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Wow, that's a pretty big selection. I've already tried using colored pencils watercolors and crayons. None of them really gave the picture a good effect. Copic markers sound good though. How do they work? Are they just like regular markers or what? And if you wouldn't reccomend those, what else is there?

I ink in all my drawings, so i have trouble shading in my drawings with an inking pen. Do you know any good techniques for shading (example: cross-hatching). How do all the good Manga Artists get certain parts of their drawings to look so gray and neat?

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Dagan
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posted 13-11-2004 09:56 AM     Profile for Dagan   Email Dagan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have an answer for the shading in B/W a paper nub.
what is it? well go to an art store and ask for one. it cost about 50 cents then ask how to use it. If you want a sample of its effect I have many sample I can show you. Email me if you want a sample. it will give a soft tone effect

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Saber
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posted 14-11-2004 10:12 PM     Profile for Saber   Author's Homepage   Email Saber     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks, that really helped, but can anyone give me info on copic markers?

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posted 15-11-2004 04:50 AM     Profile for Dagan   Email Dagan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
ok I spoke of the paper nub for b/w. But there is a way to cg on the computer with MS paint and ir actually look good. I have samples of this as well. in fact one is posted in Finished Work on this site. I can give you a step by step on this as well. You will however need a photo editor that you get by developing a role of film on CD at walmart.
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posted 15-11-2004 04:02 PM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
well copic markers (copic is just the main firm producing them) are technicaly just markers, but they are better build and can be blended (I think), I never used them, but from what I heard they take a bit practice (like most tools) and arent that cheap they are pretty popular among concept designers.

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posted 15-11-2004 05:38 PM     Profile for Jats1   Email Jats1     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think its pretty hard to blend any markers, one kind of needs a lightbox I think, and just do it bit by bit.

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Saber
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posted 15-11-2004 09:51 PM     Profile for Saber   Author's Homepage   Email Saber     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
do you need to blend colors on copic markers to get the proper color you're looking for, or do copic markers come in all colors, and blending is just an option?

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posted 16-11-2004 05:37 PM     Profile for Zephos   Author's Homepage   Email Zephos     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well... blending is really an option and different from mixing colors... albeit the effect is quite noteworthy (Particularly for making gradients and subtle color differences) and a corner stone of marker coloring. Copic Markers come in a huge variety, albeit it might cost you a small fortune for the whole set depending on where you live, but yeah, you shouldn't have a problem with lack of colors (Granted that you have the money to buy a full set of any type of artist marker) unless you are aiming extremely specifically at a color range.

Personally, I still recommend taking the digital highway above physical means unless you are using them for the sole purpose of using them... but I degress.

There is a book in the How To Draw Manga series that covers Copic Markers and the spray attachment specifically (HTDM: Special Colored Original Drawing)... so much that the book is practically an advertisement... but, eh... hahaha, if you are really interested in using them, it should help.

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posted 18-11-2004 01:05 AM     Profile for Bomu   Author's Homepage   Email Bomu     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Saber:
Does anyone know what art tools are the best for coloring without using Photoshop? And whats tools are best for shading in your drawings in manga comics?

There's never a "best" way, just a preferred way. Any materials you use should be down to personal preference. But if you like the way digital stuff looks and want to emulate it without a computer, then yeah, markers are a good way to go to get that solid colour you get with CG, ot perhaps paints such as acrylic.

I'm thinking about getting some Copics. Maybe just 3 or 4 in different shades of grey or brown so I can quickly add solid rendering to concept art and sketches. I hear they cost over $10 each and come in 100s of different colours.

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Saber
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posted 12-12-2004 02:09 AM     Profile for Saber   Author's Homepage   Email Saber     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
So, i finally got a paper nub (blending stump), i kinda know how to use it, but i need a couple of pointers. And what do you do when one side gets dull and full of the lead from the pencil? Do you sand it down to a point or what?

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Dan York
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posted 12-12-2004 11:12 AM     Profile for Dan York   Author's Homepage   Email Dan York     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bomu:
I'm thinking about getting some Copics. Maybe just 3 or 4 in different shades of grey or brown so I can quickly add solid rendering to concept art and sketches. I hear they cost over $10 each and come in 100s of different colours.

Oh yes, I remember those. I got a few of those in the skin tones to speed up toning of the skin. This was obviously pre-PC colouring days when I was still painting pictures with acrylic paint.

I wasn't all that impressed with those markers. The cost was the big one; about a fiver a stab. And I found it much more useful to use the paints at the time. At least then your palette of colours was much more varied.

Now of course, CG all the way. I use the PC for pretty much everything, not just CG colouring work. No mess, and very little fuss if you know what you're doing. But I do sometimes miss my little plastic mixing palette and brushes... sigh.

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Dagan
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posted 13-12-2004 02:38 AM     Profile for Dagan   Email Dagan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ok, the blending stump can dull over a few usages as I see you have discovered. I cut the excess of with an exacto knife. After a few times of doing this, the stump with develope a structual strenght and no longer cause that problem.
As far as the lead that builds up on the tip. Well this is actually a good thing. The dirtier they are the better they work.
As far as pointers on how to use them. always shade with the shape of the object you are shading. Curve with the shape to get a good 3D appearance.
For those not familiar with the stump, here is a sample. SampleOfStump
Blend completely until the stroke marks of the pencil are no lnger seen.

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Zephos
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posted 13-12-2004 07:53 AM     Profile for Zephos   Author's Homepage   Email Zephos     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I remember the good old days when I used Blending Stumps... then I discovered Kleenex, hahaha

Well, the Blending Stumps are good, but they are pretty exclusive art supplies, and as such, the price will always get jacked far beyond what they are worth and they are consumable art supplies.

Personally, I recommend only getting the really small blending stumps for very delicate areas, that cost less and are more precise and which you don't do very often, and leave the rest to your loyal box of hankies and a kneaded eraser, but eh, they can last you for a long time if you don't go overkill with them. So it's a matter of choice as always...

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Saber
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posted 17-12-2004 02:43 AM     Profile for Saber   Author's Homepage   Email Saber     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Do you know that pulpy paper you use to draw manga comics? Well can you shade with blending stumps on that kind of paper?

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