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sinmaster7
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posted 26-05-2002 01:06 AM     Profile for sinmaster7   Author's Homepage   Email sinmaster7     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
This site of mine has been up for a little while now, but I was wondering what could be done to improve it somehow, and how I might be able to attract more visitors.

THE SITE:((ellipse_v2.0))

Thanks

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the metalman
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posted 26-05-2002 04:29 AM     Profile for the metalman   Email the metalman     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
its really a matter of content that makes a visitor return ..or stay

do some advertising...make a banner...post at boards


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Bugsy
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posted 26-05-2002 02:09 PM     Profile for Bugsy   Author's Homepage   Email Bugsy     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah, and the content sure is allright
You can always harass people to place your banner on their site, lol XD

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Bomu
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posted 26-05-2002 03:43 PM     Profile for Bomu   Author's Homepage   Email Bomu     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I reckon you've got a really spiffy site there! Love the design, flash, fonts used and my fav artwork is "City"
Advertise! Get hits by placing links to your site on every search engine you can find Exchange links, befriend people with BIG sites, who could link to you

And to make people want to link to you, there are only 3 ways to greatly improve traffic;

-to publish better artwork,
-bung up some comprehensive "How to draw" tutorials- always popular within the artist community
-introduce pornography into your artwork!

None of which I can do within a day. They'd all take a lot of time to draw, not to mention the bit about being better than you already are!

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sinmaster7
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posted 26-05-2002 09:26 PM     Profile for sinmaster7   Author's Homepage   Email sinmaster7     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sounds like the perfect remedy. When I find some more time I'll whip up a banner to offer off of my site. Thanks a lot

And thanks for signing my guestbook

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G.i.A.m.
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posted 27-05-2002 02:33 PM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
yup great design.
a big question would be if I want alot traffic especial with the bandwide cost personaly I would make a side more toward a place where I can point people to when they wanted see what I made so far.

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sinmaster7
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posted 04-06-2002 02:34 PM     Profile for sinmaster7   Author's Homepage   Email sinmaster7     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks! Sorry it took so long to get back, things have been remarkably hecktic. Yes, bandwidth does seem like it could present a problem when it comes to cost, but luckily I'm on the free 10 megs that came with my ISP service.

How do these look?
Link Me!

Thanks

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Bomu
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posted 07-06-2002 10:52 AM     Profile for Bomu   Author's Homepage   Email Bomu     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Can someone educate me on the subject of Bandwidth? Is a high number bandwidth better than a low number? What's a good example of a site/server with good bandwidth (vaule)?

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G.i.A.m.
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posted 07-06-2002 12:47 PM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
hm if you got some time I do it .

Switching into teacher mode (with a cute little magical transform scene :nudgenudge .

First of what I meant in my post above was the bandwidth traffic, which can be a problem for popular free sites nowadays.
Lets say for an example that you have a indexpage for your website that is 1mb totaly in filesize(made with frontpage I guess ).
Now everytime someone views this page he is actuly downloading the page, this is noticed by the server as traffic.
So if 5people viewed your page this month you get a traffic of 5mb (its a bit more 'couse your pc talks with the server before hand but only few kb).

The problem is now that alot webspace host'er give you only a limited traffic maximum for your webspace(ofcourse if you pay them more they give you more traffic).
Normaly if you exceed this limit they either shut your side down, or what is more common they want extra money for every mb that is over the limit.

Server bandwidth on the other hand tells you how the server is connected to the rest of the world (in other words to the next backbone server).

If I would use my PC as a server it would have a total bandwidth of 128KBitS (I have a dsl connection and that is the maximum theoretical upload-rate of my connection).
In real-life it would mean someone could download stuff from my pc with a maximum of 15kbytes (thats the real upload-rate).
But if two people download from me at the same time it would split it into half so everybody got around 7kbs (now you see my comp wouldn't be a good server).

So a bigger upload-rate on the serverside is always better.
While the case of two people downloading at the same time isn't a big problem for a website server, it is a problem for a Gameserver where it has to manage the constant data exchange of lets say 15 people(also the server has to manage and calculate what is going on in the world who shot who and so on which means for a game server you need a good multitasking comp).

As for examples of good server bandwidth its does digital connections (often optical cables) that starts with a download/upload rate of 1mbit/s (known as T1) and goes to 100mbit/s (T3) as common connections (higher lines exists but are mostly still in testing ground as far as I know).

I remember someone was selling a T3 flatrate in germany for 50000 Dmark (25000 Euro) per month, one or two years ago (but the prize for this stuff differs greatly from country to country).

ok thats it if I made errors please correct me (hey I'm only stuff I heard or read about on the net).

*blink* switching back to normal mode "holy shit who wrote so much tech'ie stuff "

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sinmaster7
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posted 07-06-2002 04:29 PM     Profile for sinmaster7   Author's Homepage   Email sinmaster7     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
How about free ISP webspace, like mine? Do they generally charge extra for high bandwidth?

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Bomu
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posted 08-06-2002 11:18 AM     Profile for Bomu   Author's Homepage   Email Bomu     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks for today's lesson Giam. I've learned a lot

So, wouldn't a T3 be pretty crap? 'Cos although you'd have a high speed connection, the rest of the world's sites would only be accessable from a T1 line at most?

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G.i.A.m.
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posted 10-06-2002 06:39 PM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
bomu yeah the T3 is more for webserver and or firms where people have to share the connection over a LAN.
But you could also max out a T3 if you download from another T3 and your are the only one connected at the moment.

Sinmaster7 well I'm not sure if your ISP charge for it (check the contract), but normaly they don't.
They make mainly money with the internet connections they sell.
Also with 10mb space they don't expect that someone makes a side that generates more than a few hits [hey if the webspace is ever used, then most people make a side like "hi my name is mildret here are some pictures of my cat"(sorry but I hate this kind of sites).And no one is searching for this crap (even if it is registerd with every search engine out there )].

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Jackel
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posted 26-07-2002 11:18 PM     Profile for Jackel   Author's Homepage   Email Jackel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Holy crap!!

That's sweet!!
Awesome site design!!!

Just thought I'd say that, but I know shit about bandwidth and....uh..all that other stuff, so I'm no help with any thing.


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sentient
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posted 27-07-2002 05:13 AM     Profile for sentient   Author's Homepage   Email sentient     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Bomu: just because its a T3 doesnt mean only fast connections can see the site. that means itll be faster for ANYONE that wants to see the site. just because it CAN transfer at 300k doesnt mean it will.

sinmaster: the site is very basic, and imo not very well done (speaking in a graphic design sense) its not much more then a few lines and text and some animation on top. to improve it imo, you would need to completely redesign it. try and look around some good design sites: www.carbonfour.com www.sevenflow.com www.liquisoft.com www.chapter3.net www.cubadust.com

just to name a few. good start with the flash tho.

and i have a question: where did u get the image for your link me button? (the one you use as your sig)


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sinmaster7
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posted 27-07-2002 11:49 PM     Profile for sinmaster7   Author's Homepage   Email sinmaster7     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I was going for a minimal look, but I guess (in your opinion, anyway) I didn't do too well. I'm currently doing a newer version of it, but really the plan for the design scheme was the same. But considering now that it might not be a good idea to regurgitate the old design, I'll see if I can come up with a better one.

The sites you listed are nice indeed. I see I have a lot to learn when it comes to design. I'll take time to study them. It's either that design tutorials are hard to find, or that I haven't looked hard enough.

Thanks for the constructive criticism. It will have helped a lot when I finish redesigning the site. As for the sig, I designed it myself in Flash. Why do you ask?

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sentient
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posted 28-07-2002 12:49 AM     Profile for sentient   Author's Homepage   Email sentient     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
well the background on the sig seems REALLY familiar, and i was just checkin if you werent using someone elses artwork (it realy pisses me off)
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sinmaster7
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posted 28-07-2002 02:48 AM     Profile for sinmaster7   Author's Homepage   Email sinmaster7     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
No, it's completely my own.

Of the sites that you listed, sevenflow was the most interesting to me. While I redesign my site, I have one question; what steps do I have to take (e.g. asking permissions, paying royalties, etc.) in order to stream copyrighted music from my site?

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Bomu
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posted 28-07-2002 12:38 PM     Profile for Bomu   Author's Homepage   Email Bomu     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sinmaster7:
I have one question; what steps do I have to take (e.g. asking permissions, paying royalties, etc.) in order to stream copyrighted music from my site?

No idea, but unless your site's getting a few thousand hits a day or you're a commercial site, then I don't think anyone's gonna mind!

I still think your site's ace tho sinmaster. sentient has a point about it looking a little dull compared to some of these more abstract design concept sites, but yours does the job - it displays your portfolio, easy to understand, view, navigate, fits into smaller resolutions unlike most of these other funky graphic sites

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AKATT
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posted 28-07-2002 04:03 PM     Profile for AKATT   Email AKATT     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
cool site Sinmaster. i think i may give your flash tutorial a go. it's time i got updated on the web front.

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sinmaster7
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posted 28-07-2002 08:57 PM     Profile for sinmaster7   Author's Homepage   Email sinmaster7     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
I still think your site's ace tho sinmaster. sentient has a point about it looking a little dull compared to some of these more abstract design concept sites, but yours does the job - it displays your portfolio, easy to understand, view, navigate, fits into smaller resolutions unlike most of these other funky graphic sites

Thanks Bomu. Personally, I think that usability is just as important as content. Knowing now that the efforts I've put into the usibility of my site has paid off, I will keep it at the forefront of my mind while I design the update.

quote:
cool site Sinmaster. i think i may give your flash tutorial a go.

Thanks! And as for the tutorial, it's my first. So if you or anyone has any questions, comments, or suggestions, I would gladly accept them

And if anyone is interested in tutorials for the preliminary steps for designing a website, I found one here

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G.i.A.m.
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posted 30-07-2002 10:40 PM     Profile for G.i.A.m.   Email G.i.A.m.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well I would say that the order is, content than useability and than design, that brings a certain site into my bookmarks over another.

Ofcourse the site must atleast allow me to actully see the content (which sometimes can be a bit tricky with opera).

And the content of a webdesigner is ofcourse his own site in the firstplace if it sucks he wont get a job simple as that.

I've seen some sites where person babbled how good they where when it came to great usefull and well designed sites, small codes and all the wistles.

But his site design was pretty much fucked up codewise.
Alot of the links did'nt work 'couse of spelling errors, sorry to say but I wouldnt even consider asking someone with a site like this to make one for me (no matter how good the grafix looked he used).

oh btw. sinmaster7 tnx for the link I allmost forgot the force yourself to more than one design Idea lesson.

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